This question was asked about the 2015 Senior Soaring Championships

There is a contest in the early part of March Seniors in Florida approx. 65 glider

If the new update is out will there be a problem if some have the update and some don't.

Flarm Response:


Yes, you are correct, that would be a problem. Devices with the old firmware cannot communicate with the new firmware. From the next firmware release, we will make sure that the protocol changes automatically at the changeover date. Unfortunately that was not possible for this update.

For this contest, I would recommend that nobody updates their devices until after the contest.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:08:12 AM UTC-8, Richard wrote:
> This question was asked about the 2015 Senior Soaring Championships
>
> There is a contest in the early part of March Seniors in Florida approx.. 65 glider
>
> If the new update is out will there be a problem if some have the update and some don't.
>
> Flarm Response:
>
>
> Yes, you are correct, that would be a problem. Devices with the old firmware cannot communicate with the new firmware. From the next firmware release, we will make sure that the protocol changes automatically at the changeover date. Unfortunately that was not possible for this update.
>
> For this contest, I would recommend that nobody updates their devices until after the contest.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com

So in the immortal words of Tom Lehrer, "We Will All Go Together When We Go". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIoBrob3bjI

If you don't get this, you don't belong in the Seniors ;-)

Craig
7Q

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:08:12 AM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
> This question was asked about the 2015 Senior Soaring Championships
>
> There is a contest in the early part of March Seniors in Florida approx.. 65 glider
>
> If the new update is out will there be a problem if some have the update and some don't.
>
> Flarm Response:
>
>
> Yes, you are correct, that would be a problem. Devices with the old firmware cannot communicate with the new firmware. From the next firmware release, we will make sure that the protocol changes automatically at the changeover date. Unfortunately that was not possible for this update.
>
> For this contest, I would recommend that nobody updates their devices until after the contest.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com

Every Hotentot and every Eskimo...

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:26:03 PM UTC-5, Charlie Papa wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:08:12 AM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
> > This question was asked about the 2015 Senior Soaring Championships
> >
> > There is a contest in the early part of March Seniors in Florida approx. 65 glider
> >
> > If the new update is out will there be a problem if some have the update and some don't.
> >
> > Flarm Response:
> >
> >
> > Yes, you are correct, that would be a problem. Devices with the old firmware cannot communicate with the new firmware. From the next firmware release, we will make sure that the protocol changes automatically at the changeover date. Unfortunately that was not possible for this update.
> >
> > For this contest, I would recommend that nobody updates their devices until after the contest.
> >
> > Richard
> > www.craggyaero.com
>
> Every Hotentot and every Eskimo...

Or.... pcool......

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:29:06 PM UTC-6, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:26:03 PM UTC-5, Charlie Papa wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:08:12 AM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
> > > This question was asked about the 2015 Senior Soaring Championships
> > >
> > > There is a contest in the early part of March Seniors in Florida approx. 65 glider
> > >
> > > If the new update is out will there be a problem if some have the update and some don't.
> > >
> > > Flarm Response:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, you are correct, that would be a problem. Devices with the old firmware cannot communicate with the new firmware. From the next firmware release, we will make sure that the protocol changes automatically at the changeover date. Unfortunately that was not possible for this update.
> > >
> > > For this contest, I would recommend that nobody updates their devices until after the contest.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > www.craggyaero.com
> >
> > Every Hotentot and every Eskimo...
>
> Or.... pcool......

Charlie Papa: making racial remarks is not OK and definitely not funny.
I predict there will be more than one contestant showing up at the Seniors with an updated PFlarm. What then, you can't un-ring that bell. But wait, that's really not a problem. The update takes around 5, at most 10 minutes. All you have to do is insert the memory stick with the correct file into the rectum of your unit, turn it on and wait. Why are we making such noise about it?
Herb

How did we all do before Flarm was developed?

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 6:04:41 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> Charlie Papa: making racial remarks is not OK and definitely not funny.

Herb clearly needs to listen to some Tom Lehrer

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 6:04:41 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:29:06 PM UTC-6, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:26:03 PM UTC-5, Charlie Papa wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:08:12 AM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
> > > > This question was asked about the 2015 Senior Soaring Championships
> > > >
> > > > There is a contest in the early part of March Seniors in Florida approx. 65 glider
> > > >
> > > > If the new update is out will there be a problem if some have the update and some don't.
> > > >
> > > > Flarm Response:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you are correct, that would be a problem. Devices with the old firmware cannot communicate with the new firmware. From the next firmware release, we will make sure that the protocol changes automatically at the changeover date. Unfortunately that was not possible for this update.
> > > >
> > > > For this contest, I would recommend that nobody updates their devices until after the contest.
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > > www.craggyaero.com
> > >
> > > Every Hotentot and every Eskimo...
> >
> > Or.... pcool......
>
> Charlie Papa: making racial remarks is not OK and definitely not funny.
> I predict there will be more than one contestant showing up at the Seniors with an updated PFlarm. What then, you can't un-ring that bell. But wait, that's really not a problem. The update takes around 5, at most 10 minutes. All you have to do is insert the memory stick with the correct file into the rectum of your unit, turn it on and wait. Why are we making such noise about it?
> Herb

I hear Al Sharpton may be looking for work, perhaps he can moderate R.A.S ?

Brad

Herb, are you too young to remember Tom Lehrer?

If so, what are you doing reading a post about the Seniors?

Watch the video and find the this is the next line in the lyrics about a post-apocalyptic radioactive future.

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:04:41 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:29:06 PM UTC-6, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:26:03 PM UTC-5, Charlie Papa wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:08:12 AM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
> > > > This question was asked about the 2015 Senior Soaring Championships
> > > >
> > > > There is a contest in the early part of March Seniors in Florida approx. 65 glider
> > > >
> > > > If the new update is out will there be a problem if some have the update and some don't.
> > > >
> > > > Flarm Response:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you are correct, that would be a problem. Devices with the old firmware cannot communicate with the new firmware. From the next firmware release, we will make sure that the protocol changes automatically at the changeover date. Unfortunately that was not possible for this update.
> > > >
> > > > For this contest, I would recommend that nobody updates their devices until after the contest.
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > > www.craggyaero.com
> > >
> > > Every Hotentot and every Eskimo...
> >
> > Or.... pcool......
>
> Charlie Papa: making racial remarks is not OK and definitely not funny.
> I predict there will be more than one contestant showing up at the Seniors with an updated PFlarm. What then, you can't un-ring that bell. But wait, that's really not a problem. The update takes around 5, at most 10 minutes. All you have to do is insert the memory stick with the correct file into the rectum of your unit, turn it on and wait. Why are we making such noise about it?
> Herb

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:52:03 AM UTC-8, Charlie Papa wrote:
>
> Watch the video and find the this is the next line in the lyrics about a post-apocalyptic radioactive future.

I suspect I'm one of the few here (at least from outside South Africa) who actually knew what the word meant without looking it up, and while that's one I've never been called (I did get called kaff*r in London, once), I know where Herb was coming from. Context is everything, Lehrer was consciously (but satirically) being offensive back then, it's interesting how what is offensive about his songs has shifted in the intervening 50 years...

Marc

If you can't quote Tom Lehrer, you shouldn't be at the Seniors!

Mike

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 3:23:22 AM UTC+13, Per Carlin wrote:
> How did we all do before Flarm was developed?

There are quite a lot of examples of Flarm in use with a gliders coming the opposite way along a low ridge in Balleka's latest video:

http://youtu.be/AItWTMoIbxQ

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:08:12 AM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
> This question was asked about the 2015 Senior Soaring Championships
>
> There is a contest in the early part of March Seniors in Florida approx.. 65 glider
>
> If the new update is out will there be a problem if some have the update and some don't.
>
> Flarm Response:
>
>
> Yes, you are correct, that would be a problem. Devices with the old firmware cannot communicate with the new firmware. From the next firmware release, we will make sure that the protocol changes automatically at the changeover date. Unfortunately that was not possible for this update.
>
> For this contest, I would recommend that nobody updates their devices until after the contest.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com

Well, if someone has already updated, how long would it take to update everyone? With all the "tech help" likely to be there, it could be done as part of the safety briefing.
Just a thought.
;-)

The problem is not only at this contest. I think the prudent thing to do is NOT update your powerflatm until the last weekend of March if you plan to fly beforehand.
I hope this will he clarified when the new firmware becomes available.

Ramy

The problem is not only at this contest. I think the prudent thing to do is NOT update your powerflatm until the last weekend of March if you plan to fly beforehand.
I hope this will he clarified when the new firmware becomes available.

Ramy

The problem is not only at this contest. I think the prudent thing to do is NOT update your powerflatm until the last weekend of March if you plan to fly beforehand.
I hope this will he clarified when the new firmware becomes available.

Ramy

Le jeudi 26 février 2015 06:24:34 UTC+1, Ramy a écrit*:
> The problem is not only at this contest. I think the prudent thing to do is NOT update your powerflatm until the last weekend of March if you plan to fly beforehand.
> I hope this will he clarified when the new firmware becomes available.
>
> Ramy

Strange idea.
As soon as the update is available, everybody should do the update before he takes of the next time. That is the only way to make sure that all airborne systems can communicate.

TW

At 07:29 26 February 2015, Tango Whisky wrote:
>Le jeudi 26 f=E9vrier 2015 06:24:34 UTC+1, Ramy a =E9crit=A0:
>> The problem is not only at this contest. I think the prudent thing to
>do=
> is NOT update your powerflatm until the last weekend of March if
you plan
>=
>to fly beforehand.=20
>> I hope this will he clarified when the new firmware becomes
available.=20
>>=20
>> Ramy
>
>Strange idea.=20
>As soon as the update is available, everybody should do the update
before
>h=
>e takes of the next time. That is the only way to make sure that all
>airbor=
>ne systems can communicate.
>
>TW

I don't think that would work so well because an unknown minority of
the pilots who want to fly soon after the update may be the ones who
need to sort out a cable or help to do it. Better to all do it at the end

of the month and ask around and make sure everyone in one's club/
contest/soaring area is organised.
John Galloway

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:12:00 PM UTC-6, Mike the Strike wrote:
> If you can't quote Tom Lehrer, you shouldn't be at the Seniors!
>
> Mike



On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:12:00 PM UTC-6, Mike the Strike wrote:
> If you can't quote Tom Lehrer, you shouldn't be at the Seniors!
>
> Mike

Mike, there's a whole wide world outside of the US of A and guess what, your Tom Lehrer did not make it on the TV screens everywhere. As Asterix said to fittingly in the French comic: Ils sont fous, les Americains.

Yes, this would be the right way in a perfect world. But since we know that most people are procrastinators, than it is better if we all procrastinate in this case.

Ramy

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:09:03 -0800, herbkilian wrote:

> Mike, there's a whole wide world outside of the US of A and guess what,
> your Tom Lehrer did not make it on the TV screens everywhere. As
> Asterix said to fittingly in the French comic: Ils sont fous, les
> Americains.
>
....however I doubt that anybody in the English-speaking world or Europe
who went through University in the mid/late 60s wouldn't know "We Will
All Go Together When We Go".

TV was irrelevant: in some circles Lehrer LPs circulated alongside those
by Bob Dylan, Pete Seeger and, for light relief, Flanders & Swann
(remember the Hippopotamus Song?).


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

I went to college in the USA in the late 60s and early 70s and I had to
look up Lehrer yesterday. Never heard of him. Never thought much of
Dylan, either.

On 2/26/2015 3:51 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:09:03 -0800, herbkilian wrote:
>
>> Mike, there's a whole wide world outside of the US of A and guess what,
>> your Tom Lehrer did not make it on the TV screens everywhere. As
>> Asterix said to fittingly in the French comic: Ils sont fous, les
>> Americains.
>>
> ...however I doubt that anybody in the English-speaking world or Europe
> who went through University in the mid/late 60s wouldn't know "We Will
> All Go Together When We Go".
>
> TV was irrelevant: in some circles Lehrer LPs circulated alongside those
> by Bob Dylan, Pete Seeger and, for light relief, Flanders & Swann
> (remember the Hippopotamus Song?).
>
>

--
Dan Marotta

On Tuesday, 24 February 2015 15:08:12 UTC, Richard wrote:
> This question was asked about the 2015 Senior Soaring Championships
>
> There is a contest in the early part of March Seniors in Florida approx.. 65 glider
>
> If the new update is out will there be a problem if some have the update and some don't.
>
> Flarm Response:
>
>
> Yes, you are correct, that would be a problem. Devices with the old firmware cannot communicate with the new firmware. From the next firmware release, we will make sure that the protocol changes automatically at the changeover date. Unfortunately that was not possible for this update.
>
> For this contest, I would recommend that nobody updates their devices until after the contest.
>
> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com

Since this update was scheduled before the last one, and the instruction is very specific, my bet is that on April 1st your unit will display a message like "I am not working" and mean it.

At 22:51 26 February 2015, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:09:03 -0800, herbkilian wrote:
>
>> Mike, there's a whole wide world outside of the US of A and guess what,
>> your Tom Lehrer did not make it on the TV screens everywhere. As
>> Asterix said to fittingly in the French comic: Ils sont fous, les
>> Americains.
>>
>....however I doubt that anybody in the English-speaking world or Europe
>who went through University in the mid/late 60s wouldn't know "We Will
>All Go Together When We Go".
>
Try:
http://www.casualhacker.net/tom.lehrer/evening.html#go

I think a lot of his work was published in the 50's.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:47:03 +0000, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:

> At 22:51 26 February 2015, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:09:03 -0800, herbkilian wrote:
>>
>>> Mike, there's a whole wide world outside of the US of A and guess
>>> what,
>>> your Tom Lehrer did not make it on the TV screens everywhere. As
>>> Asterix said to fittingly in the French comic: Ils sont fous, les
>>> Americains.
>>>
>>....however I doubt that anybody in the English-speaking world or Europe
>>who went through University in the mid/late 60s wouldn't know "We Will
>>All Go Together When We Go".
>>
> Try:
> http://www.casualhacker.net/tom.lehrer/evening.html#go
>
> I think a lot of his work was published in the 50's.

Yep. He only put out a few albums but back in the day I'd heard even
fewer of his songs "We Will all go...", The Elements, Masochism Tango was
about it. Recently I got a CD copy of his 'in Concert' album and I must
say the majority of the songs on it are fairly unmemorable: the
aforementioned ones are the standouts. Just goes to show that Woody
Guthrie was a much better song writer though I'm told that many Americans
only know one of his (This Land is Your Land). Can that be true or is it
just a tissue of sex, lies and videotape?


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gregorie. | Essex, UK
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